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Philosophy; is it worth saving?
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Ed Cryer
2025-01-27 20:47:54 UTC
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I meet a lot of people who say" Ah, the past is past. It's no more than
a hindrance to all we want to do. Let it go."
I always say "No". Hold on to it; it's your best guide".
Take the Soviet Union; dedicated to reforming human nature, from
selfishness to social togetherness. And what happened when it collapsed?
Oligarchs and capitalist nest-builders swamped the nation.

Those who know nothing of history are condemned to repeat it. That
sounds very Jean Paul Sartre, but in fact is was George Santayana' best
maxim.

New humans sprout from seeds unaffected by a knowledge of history. They
have other concerns; how to thrive and flourish in this world of
downtrodden-ideals. And that doesn't include any knowledge of previous
rises and falls. They fashion their upward-momentum with scant knowledge
of human history.

What pays dividends is the goal. First knock out the opposition, then
bellow loudly.

I'd appreciate the opinions of other people who've given time and grey
matter to this question.

Ed
D
2025-01-27 21:36:02 UTC
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I meet a lot of people who say" Ah, the past is past. It's no more than a
hindrance to all we want to do. Let it go."
I always say "No". Hold on to it; it's your best guide".
Take the Soviet Union; dedicated to reforming human nature, from selfishness
to social togetherness. And what happened when it collapsed? Oligarchs and
capitalist nest-builders swamped the nation.
Those who know nothing of history are condemned to repeat it. That sounds
very Jean Paul Sartre, but in fact is was George Santayana' best maxim.
New humans sprout from seeds unaffected by a knowledge of history. They have
other concerns; how to thrive and flourish in this world of
downtrodden-ideals. And that doesn't include any knowledge of previous rises
and falls. They fashion their upward-momentum with scant knowledge of human
history.
What pays dividends is the goal. First knock out the opposition, then bellow
loudly.
I'd appreciate the opinions of other people who've given time and grey matter
to this question.
Ed
Sorry, what is the question again?
Ed Cryer
2025-01-27 21:41:57 UTC
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I meet a lot of people who say" Ah, the past is past. It's no more
than a hindrance to all we want to do. Let it go."
I always say "No". Hold on to it; it's your best guide".
Take the Soviet Union; dedicated to reforming human nature, from
selfishness to social togetherness. And what happened when it
collapsed? Oligarchs and capitalist nest-builders swamped the nation.
Those who know nothing of history are condemned to repeat it. That
sounds very Jean Paul Sartre, but in fact is was George Santayana'
best maxim.
New humans sprout from seeds unaffected by a knowledge of history.
They have other concerns; how to thrive and flourish in this world of
downtrodden-ideals. And that doesn't include any knowledge of previous
rises and falls. They fashion their upward-momentum with scant
knowledge of human history.
What pays dividends is the goal. First knock out the opposition, then
bellow loudly.
I'd appreciate the opinions of other people who've given time and grey
matter to this question.
Ed
Sorry, what is the question again?
Bide your time, slow coach, until someone with greater intellect reads
this group.

Ed
D
2025-01-28 09:19:22 UTC
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I meet a lot of people who say" Ah, the past is past. It's no more than a
hindrance to all we want to do. Let it go."
I always say "No". Hold on to it; it's your best guide".
Take the Soviet Union; dedicated to reforming human nature, from
selfishness to social togetherness. And what happened when it collapsed?
Oligarchs and capitalist nest-builders swamped the nation.
Those who know nothing of history are condemned to repeat it. That sounds
very Jean Paul Sartre, but in fact is was George Santayana' best maxim.
New humans sprout from seeds unaffected by a knowledge of history. They
have other concerns; how to thrive and flourish in this world of
downtrodden-ideals. And that doesn't include any knowledge of previous
rises and falls. They fashion their upward-momentum with scant knowledge
of human history.
What pays dividends is the goal. First knock out the opposition, then
bellow loudly.
I'd appreciate the opinions of other people who've given time and grey
matter to this question.
Ed
Sorry, what is the question again?
Bide your time, slow coach, until someone with greater intellect reads this
group.
Ed
Or until someone who is better at writing down his thoughts in a clear,
succinct way and to use question marks enter the conversations. Your
phrasing tempts me to dismiss it as nonsense, although at first I was
trying to engage.
Ed Cryer
2025-01-28 11:22:27 UTC
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I meet a lot of people who say" Ah, the past is past. It's no more
than a hindrance to all we want to do. Let it go."
I always say "No". Hold on to it; it's your best guide".
Take the Soviet Union; dedicated to reforming human nature, from
selfishness to social togetherness. And what happened when it
collapsed? Oligarchs and capitalist nest-builders swamped the nation.
Those who know nothing of history are condemned to repeat it. That
sounds very Jean Paul Sartre, but in fact is was George Santayana'
best maxim.
New humans sprout from seeds unaffected by a knowledge of history.
They have other concerns; how to thrive and flourish in this world
of downtrodden-ideals. And that doesn't include any knowledge of
previous rises and falls. They fashion their upward-momentum with
scant knowledge of human history.
What pays dividends is the goal. First knock out the opposition,
then bellow loudly.
I'd appreciate the opinions of other people who've given time and
grey matter to this question.
Ed
Sorry, what is the question again?
Bide your time, slow coach, until someone with greater intellect reads
this group.
Ed
Or until someone who is better at writing down his thoughts in a clear,
succinct way and to use question marks enter the conversations. Your
phrasing tempts me to dismiss it as nonsense, although at first I was
trying to engage.
After rereading it, I can see your point. It is very garbled. Accept my
humble apologies. I won't do it again.

I was trying to dress up a simple question.
Does too much knowledge of the past hinder or promote life?

Ed
D
2025-01-28 15:12:30 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
I meet a lot of people who say" Ah, the past is past. It's no more than
a hindrance to all we want to do. Let it go."
I always say "No". Hold on to it; it's your best guide".
Take the Soviet Union; dedicated to reforming human nature, from
selfishness to social togetherness. And what happened when it collapsed?
Oligarchs and capitalist nest-builders swamped the nation.
Those who know nothing of history are condemned to repeat it. That
sounds very Jean Paul Sartre, but in fact is was George Santayana' best
maxim.
New humans sprout from seeds unaffected by a knowledge of history. They
have other concerns; how to thrive and flourish in this world of
downtrodden-ideals. And that doesn't include any knowledge of previous
rises and falls. They fashion their upward-momentum with scant knowledge
of human history.
What pays dividends is the goal. First knock out the opposition, then
bellow loudly.
I'd appreciate the opinions of other people who've given time and grey
matter to this question.
Ed
Sorry, what is the question again?
Bide your time, slow coach, until someone with greater intellect reads
this group.
Ed
Or until someone who is better at writing down his thoughts in a clear,
succinct way and to use question marks enter the conversations. Your
phrasing tempts me to dismiss it as nonsense, although at first I was
trying to engage.
After rereading it, I can see your point. It is very garbled. Accept my
humble apologies. I won't do it again.
I was trying to dress up a simple question.
Does too much knowledge of the past hinder or promote life?
Ed
Hello Ed and thank you very much for the clarification! =) What would you
count as hindering and promoting life?

Making decisions based on accumulated past experiences has been a
successful strategy from an evolutionary point of view.

On the other hand, if you're the type of person who tends to "live" in the
past, at the expense of the present moment and the future, perhaps one
could argue that it might be harmful.
Ed Cryer
2025-01-28 18:56:38 UTC
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I meet a lot of people who say" Ah, the past is past. It's no more
than a hindrance to all we want to do. Let it go."
I always say "No". Hold on to it; it's your best guide".
Take the Soviet Union; dedicated to reforming human nature, from
selfishness to social togetherness. And what happened when it
collapsed? Oligarchs and capitalist nest-builders swamped the nation.
Those who know nothing of history are condemned to repeat it. That
sounds very Jean Paul Sartre, but in fact is was George Santayana'
best maxim.
New humans sprout from seeds unaffected by a knowledge of history.
They have other concerns; how to thrive and flourish in this world
of downtrodden-ideals. And that doesn't include any knowledge of
previous rises and falls. They fashion their upward-momentum with
scant knowledge of human history.
What pays dividends is the goal. First knock out the opposition,
then bellow loudly.
I'd appreciate the opinions of other people who've given time and
grey matter to this question.
Ed
Sorry, what is the question again?
Bide your time, slow coach, until someone with greater intellect
reads this group.
Ed
Or until someone who is better at writing down his thoughts in a
clear, succinct way and to use question marks enter the
conversations. Your phrasing tempts me to dismiss it as nonsense,
although at first I was trying to engage.
After rereading it, I can see your point. It is very garbled. Accept
my humble apologies. I won't do it again.
I was trying to dress up a simple question.
Does too much knowledge of the past hinder or promote life?
Ed
Hello Ed and thank you very much for the clarification! =) What would
you count as hindering and promoting life?
Making decisions based on accumulated past experiences has been a
successful strategy from an evolutionary point of view.
On the other hand, if you're the type of person who tends to "live" in
the past, at the expense of the present moment and the future, perhaps
one could argue that it might be harmful.
I think it was Trump's inaugural speech that pushed me into these thoughts.
OK, so he's going to make America great again. He said that so many
times. He believes he can; and he believes he can do it with strong-arm
political tactics.
Special troops on the Mexican border, deport all illegals, wipe out the
LGBT community.
And, wherewithal, America will revive; grow rich again; get full respect
in the world again.

I can't see it happening. Such right-wing actions will engender a severe
left-wing reaction; and the main gist of their complaints will be "All
been tried, led to atrocities, shouldn't be tried again".

It makes me wonder just how much of recent world history Trump knows.

Ed

Steve Hayes
2025-01-28 01:30:57 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
I meet a lot of people who say" Ah, the past is past. It's no more than
a hindrance to all we want to do. Let it go."
I always say "No". Hold on to it; it's your best guide".
Take the Soviet Union; dedicated to reforming human nature, from
selfishness to social togetherness. And what happened when it collapsed?
Oligarchs and capitalist nest-builders swamped the nation.
Those who know nothing of history are condemned to repeat it. That
sounds very Jean Paul Sartre, but in fact is was George Santayana' best
maxim.
New humans sprout from seeds unaffected by a knowledge of history. They
have other concerns; how to thrive and flourish in this world of
downtrodden-ideals. And that doesn't include any knowledge of previous
rises and falls. They fashion their upward-momentum with scant knowledge
of human history.
What pays dividends is the goal. First knock out the opposition, then
bellow loudly.
I'd appreciate the opinions of other people who've given time and grey
matter to this question.
What *is* the question?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Peter Moylan
2025-01-28 02:00:58 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Those who know nothing of history are condemned to repeat it. That
sounds very Jean Paul Sartre, but in fact is was George Santayana' best
maxim.
Those who study history are doomed to watch others repeat it.
--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
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